Gene the difference maybe, that I had a lot of respect for the house, and the fact that they built these huge monoliths of Casinos, on losers. I played a simple plus minus, a small parlay, with modifictions and paid attention to what I was doing while counting the deck. Got in and out as quick as I could quitting a winner, small, medium or large...my first order of business was to pay my expenses and enjoy the trip over to Reno or Tahoe. Reggie