Pat; I believe that just the trading benefits alone at the annual convention would be justification for the members of the PACK family to apply for Chapter Status. The "few shoebox collectors" in PACK "who are not really serious about joining a main club" are not required to join the National any longer. What is the objection to forming a PACK Chapter if as you say 95% of the individual PACK members are already members of CCGTCC? Surely the 102 PACK membership can afford what amounts to .20¢ each for the $20 annual Chapter dues. Your meeting space at the Trop is well worth that much.... and more. It would be a nice "Thank You" gesture to CCGTCC for providing the meeting facilities. What is the sentiment of the individual PACK members on this bb?