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WRONG, Charles, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG ...
In Response To: My Opinion ()

... Mel was not expelled ...

>> ... because he refused to cooperate with the
>> Board's investigation of the Brass Core issue.

In fact and in light of what happened with Benon and Gonski, Mel ended up being expelled in part because he did cooperate with the investigation. The board actually found that he was not truthful, not that he was uncooperative. See the excerpt from the Mel Jung brass core decision reproduced below.

>> ... everyone seems to forget that Mel was not expelled
>> from the Club because of the sale of the fake brass cores.

Wrong again (see paragraph 1 of the excerpt below).

>> That could not be proven ... beyond a reasonable doubt ...

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is not required in club proceedings (though I personally believe that there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt in this case). Had this been a criminal proceeding, I would have taken it to a jury with complete confidence of a conviction.

>> ... there were no receipts or independent 3rd party observations.

Neither is required to provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case. One of the instructions read to the jury in a criminal case says, essentially, that the testimony of a single witness, if believed by the jury, is sufficient to establish any fact necessary to conviction. In any case, there was a "3rd party" observation which corroborated the statements of David Whalen.

>> The board was not even sure that what Mel did with
>> the Brass Cores was in violation of the Code of Ethics.

Don't know where you got that from. It certainly doesn't appear in the board's brass core decision. And no member of the board which rendered this decision ever expressed such an opinion to me during the course of my investigation. Again, see paragraph 1 of the following excerpt.

Excerpt from the Mel Jung brass core decision follows. The full decision is at:

http://www.ccgtcc.com/bci020503.htm

----- jim o\-S

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BOARD's DECISION

The Board of the CC>CC unanimously finds as follows.

Based on the information contained in this report and the accompanying detailed reports of Jim Reilly, CC>CC Claims Director and other documentation gathered by the Board and included as exhibits, we find as follows:

1) That Mel Jung sold to Dean Porter a $2.50 pink Harrah’s chip without proper disclosure that it was a non-genuine chip. This is a violation of paragraphs 2, 3, 6 and 7 of the CC>CC Code of Ethics, which requires members:

CoE #2- To conduct myself so as to bring no discredit to the Club or to impair the prestige of the Club or its members.

CoE #3- To base all of my dealings on the highest plane of justice, fairness and morality.

CoE #6- Not to sell, exhibit, produce nor advertise non-genuines, copies, reproductions or restrikes of any item unless their nature is clearly indicated as such.

CoE #7- To represent casino collectibles as genuine only when to the best of my knowledge and belief, such items are in fact authentic, and when no significant question of their authenticity has been raised.

2) That Mel Jung was not truthful in the information that he provided to the CC>CC Claims Director in regards to the inquiry into the production and sale of brass core chips and therefore impeded such investigation. This is a violation of paragraphs 2, 3, and 13 of the CC>CC Code of Ethics, which requires members:

CoE #2- To conduct myself so as to bring no discredit to the Club or to impair the prestige of the Club or its members.

CoE #3- To base all of my dealings on the highest plane of justice, fairness and morality.

CoE #13- To cooperate with the officers of the Club in investigating and resolving problems which may arise, and complaints which may be made, and to provide such information to such officers as may reasonably be requested.

Based on these violations of the CC>CC Code of Ethics, the Board of Directors of the Casino Chips and Gaming Tokens Collectors Club has voted unanimously to expel Mel Jung from the CC>CC and bar him from all club activities.

Messages In This Thread

Few words about Mel Jung from a friend
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Right on AL !!!!!!!!!!!
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My Opinion
WRONG, Charles, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG ...
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"If you believe Porter" ...
GRRRRRRRRRRRR! mad
I don't get your analogy ...
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Do you think Mel was just laying in the weeds ...
I'll email you sometime Jim sad
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If you're talking about the 2001 ...
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And THAT is a very good point!
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Larry, your post warrants ...
Jim...
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Norm, why don't you READ the report ...
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To the extent that my post ...
Thanks.
Now, Charles, are you ready ...
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