Robert I did read your post. I was very happy to see that you were in favor of people attending the seminar. If I made it sound like you were not in favor, I apologize. Robert there are many people selling chips on Ebay that are not members of the club, so there is no recourse thru the governing body of the club. Robert the one thing that I noticed, all of the people running for office agreed on was, that they wanted the hobby to grow and bring in new collectors. Most new collectors do not have the experience that many of you chippers have. I sincerely believe new collectors will feel more comfortable in purchasing a chip that has been graded by a third party. I know that the baseball hobby grew ten fold after grading was established. I also do not know of any hobby that collectors are more passionate, and have more fun than the sports card hobby. Thanks for listening Ric Chandgie