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Who said anything about eBay ...

... Jim? <g> I posed the questions generically without reference to eBay specifically to avoid the "eBay has a rule against it" response because what I'm looking for is, if there is such a rule, WHY?

>> in my opinion, there are only two reasons to start the bid at a price
lower than you are willing to accept.
1. To pay a smaller insertion fee,
2. To deceive the bidder. <<

The insertion fee comment is almost certainly valid, but is a matter strictly between the auctioneer and the seller; I'm not concerned here with the ethics of eBay sellers trying to screw eBay out of their insertion fees (the seller will, of course, pay a higher sale fee if the item sells for a higher price, even if it's higher because he bids it up himself or through a shill).

HOW is a starting price below what a seller will actually sell for "deceptive"? Does the starting bid imply that the true value of the item is whatever the starting bid happens to be? I don't think so, otherwise there wouldn't be much point in having the auction; you might as well just offer the item for sale at that price because everyone would assume it is not worth anything more. That being the case, any potential bidder must realize that the true value is something higher than the minimum bid; therefore, no one is being "deceived" by the lower starting bid. In fact, the lower starting bid would seem to imply a lesser value for the item, which would tend to DISCOURAGE higher bids (at least for unknowledgeable bidders; knowledgeable bidders would simply ignore the starting bid and place their bids based on what they know the true value to be).

----- jim o\-S

Messages In This Thread

Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...
Re: Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...
Who said anything about eBay ...
J.E. -Slow down and RETHINK about what you wrote!
Re: J.E. -Slow down and RETHINK about what you wro
Jim E. - Thanks for followup posting....
Re: Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...
Well, I succeeded at one thing ...
Re: Well, I succeeded at one thing ...
Moving in the right direction ...
Shill bidding should be prohibited ...
Getting there Larry ...
Re: Moving in the right direction ...
Re: Moving in the right direction ...Steve
Re: Well, I succeeded at one thing ...
I'm not trying to "justify" anything ...
Re: I'm not trying to "justify" anything
See THE POINT ...
More critical thinking, please ...
Re: More critical thinking, please ...
Good rules and Confucius is ...
Re:shill or reserve
I have never sold a thing on eBay ...
My momma tried to teach me ...
shill or reserve
Re: My momma tried to teach me ...Suzie Seller
Are you a lawyer in secret ...
I think I've just been insulted!
No insult, Larry, just trying to ...
Re: More critical thinking, please ...
Re: More critical thinking,ETHICS
Oh, Jack, have you ever asked ...
You have done the same thing ...
Re: More critical thinking, please ...
Expectation or ...
Re: Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...
Rich, EXCELLENT reply!! (EOM)
Why ...
Re: I give up...
Don't give up yet, Rich ...
Re: I give up...
Re: I give up...
This is the most fun I've had on the board ...
Re: Gene Again!!!!!!!
Nice and clearly stated opinion ...
The real costs and harm of shill bidding..
Thanks for a very thoughtful ...
Re: Thanks for a very thoughtful ...
Some additional thoughts ...

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