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Re: Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...

Jim:
I feel like I'm on the satnd as a witness; but here goes.

A buyer may be harmed because I understand an auction to be what arms-length buyers would be willing to pay for an item. If there is a shill bidder, then the auction does not represent the true value of the item. If the seller wanted $20 to begin with, then that price should be listed; either as the initial price or a reserve price. Starting bidding at a lower price than the reserve price, is usually meant to get the bidding started without the seller giving up th item at an unreasonable oprice to the seller.

Is the buyer actually harmed by the shill bid if he/she is willing to buy the item at $20 (in your example), no and yes. No because he would have bid that amount if the minimum or reserve were set at that price. Yes because there is no reflection of the true market for the item.

I personally think shill bidding should be illegal. The use of a miniumum or reserve would protect the seller and not harm any buyer who is willing to pay that minimum or reserve price.

The only difference as to how the buyer finally arrived at the $20 price, is that it has been deceptive; morally if not legally. An uneducated buyer may believe the item is really worth more than the $20 because of the action on the bid. Granted, "caveat emptor" is the rule, but as we have seen with some chips (i.e. fantasy; James Bond) there are uneducated buyers out there. The minimum or reserve would protect them for deceptive shill bids.

Just a few opinions on an early Sunday morning.

Mike

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Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...
Re: Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...
Who said anything about eBay ...
J.E. -Slow down and RETHINK about what you wrote!
Re: J.E. -Slow down and RETHINK about what you wro
Jim E. - Thanks for followup posting....
Re: Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...
Well, I succeeded at one thing ...
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Moving in the right direction ...
Shill bidding should be prohibited ...
Getting there Larry ...
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Re: Moving in the right direction ...Steve
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I'm not trying to "justify" anything ...
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See THE POINT ...
More critical thinking, please ...
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Good rules and Confucius is ...
Re:shill or reserve
I have never sold a thing on eBay ...
My momma tried to teach me ...
shill or reserve
Re: My momma tried to teach me ...Suzie Seller
Are you a lawyer in secret ...
I think I've just been insulted!
No insult, Larry, just trying to ...
Re: More critical thinking, please ...
Re: More critical thinking,ETHICS
Oh, Jack, have you ever asked ...
You have done the same thing ...
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Expectation or ...
Re: Shill Bidding ... some critical thinking ...
Rich, EXCELLENT reply!! (EOM)
Why ...
Re: I give up...
Don't give up yet, Rich ...
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This is the most fun I've had on the board ...
Re: Gene Again!!!!!!!
Nice and clearly stated opinion ...
The real costs and harm of shill bidding..
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Some additional thoughts ...

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