Whalen says he has never seen the so called real one that was in Herz's auction. I have never seen it so I have no 1st hand information on it.

Whalen says he was told where to buy a so called real pink, (I believe this one was also a fake and not the one in Herz's auction) and to make 3 copies of it. He was also shown a Harrahs 500 pink, to copy the color.

Dean Porter says he has seen the one that was in Herz's auction. He says it is different than Whalen's fakes. Maybe he will desribe it here.