I guess that you are right in that every collector goes thru the ordeal occasionally. My problem is that I really hate to do it and I get sloppy on recordkeeping ocasionally. I am probably one of the offenders when it comes to not having chips available for a trade. Between trades, shotguns, round robins not to mention picking up new chips I have a heck of a time keeping my lists straight. At leat I decided early on to keep 3 separate lists - one for regular chips, one for roulettes and one for Illegal club chips. I just hate to think how much work a Greg or JB has to do to keep their lists straight.