Well, Tony, as near as I can tell Me'n Sue are on the same page. You're the only one with a redemption angle. Redeemable doesn't play into my definition or Sue's. As for Webster publishing a special dictionary for New Jersey, suit yerself. All I want to know is, when Lindsay cashes in his old Playboy chips, can you walk up right behind him and buy them from the cage? Yes - not obsolete. No - obsolete. Now, ain't that simple?