Archie,I'm not trying to be hostile, in fact I hope I'm not out of line, but since there seems to be a wide difference on the use of terminology why not allow for some people to have a different veiw of rareness. To me many of those chips on Ebay would be "Never Before Seen" items. Only because I do not have as vast an experience as most folks on this board. If the person truly beleives they are selling a Rare item and not merely a Scarce or even Highly Desireable (perhaps they aren't even aware of the proper classification) they shouldn't be grouped with other less truthful sellers. I just wanted to make sure that we are fostering a kinder and gentler BB, this way when I do F***up I will be dealt with kinder and gentlerly. Thanks for the time, BriaN BTW If I am the only one who feels this way a double digit count on the "Shut the F***up!" emails or posts will silence my naive ass for a while at least.