Don-thanks a lot. You were right on the mark on both of them. (I looked up a picture of the foxwood in the cyberguide and saw my chip.) A question about "fantasy" chips: are they the same thing as the "no cash value" chips I see referenced in the magagzines sometimes? And do people collect fantasy chips, or just accumulate them (like me) when they don't know any better?! Thanks for your help. Mike