Walter back in the 90s my friend and I visited TR King In Los Angeles my friend knew one of the brothers who specialize in making dice specialty dice if you know what I mean we were there for about an hour and you wouldn't believe the characters that came in to pick up small crown remake chips I got to see the kings crown and another box I can't remember of hot stamped Vegas chips also many pairs of dice from Atlantic City that were crooked came over the counter to one man from that area these guys were hurting for money and doing things under the table