No, Rich. I have neither and, I think my responses to a few questions had to do with what was actually in the casino and to go after the undrilled, first, if there was a choice.

I would never refer to any chip as crappy.

What I do find amazing is that there were never any more of the '1' chips found.

A '25' with mounting holes walked in the door at our '94 convention and I had bought it and sold it.