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Here we go again Norm.....

Your post has a familiar ring to it. At least this time you refrained from deleting it long enough for most people to read.

In your first two reasons for quitting you refer to 'people'. I dont know why you didnt just type 'David & Gene'. In the past you had no hesitation in going after me for no reason with respect to those two issues.

When I pulled you up on this in the past, both on this bb, the club board, and in email, you either refused to answer, deleted your posts or blocked my email.

For those people that havn't followed every event of the past 18 months or so, lets see the other side of the story, in case Gene missed a few parts out in his post.

In January 2005, Dave Whalen presented a chip to Gene Trimble where he had repaired a drill hole without trace. We had the chip xrayed. At that time, we did not know how to interpret the xray results properly, and it appeared there was no trace of the repair. (Gene had understood the drill hole was in the rim, but it later turned out it was through the inlay)
A quantity of the chip in question had not long before been found. A large part of those found were known to be drilled. At a cost of over $300, Gene and I purchased 3 further examples of this chip for xray, for the purpose of clarifying the xray interpretation, and perhaps to find others had similarly been fixed. Again the xrays were inconclusive so I took the decision to peel the inlays off two of the three chips. They were not repaired. Now I understood what I was looking at. I could tell that Gene's chip had a central drill hole that had been fixed and new inlays applied. Gene was still unsure so we removed the inlays from his and I was correct.
We therefore still had no 'benchmark' to determine whether a chip with a drilled rim could be identified by xray after filling.
I met with Dave Whalen at Arcadia in April 2005. He gave me a detailed demonstration of the methods he used to repair chips. He presented me, for the benefit of the club, two examples where he had filled a hole but left it unfinished on one side. Not satisfied that this would be good enough, I gave Whalen a chip with a drilled rim to fix so that we could xray it. He refused to do it until Mike Skelton confirmed it was okay.
At the same time he showed me a number of brass cores he had altered, mainly with marbelised colors.
There were several that his customers had declined and he had not been paid for. The customers had supplied those cores as their payment for other work and he was 'out' as a result of it. He asked if I wanted to buy them. I bought 6. I subsequently sold one of them.
He also showed me some chips that he had just repaired for customers. One of those customers, who has posted elsewhere in this thread, subsequently refused to co-operate when asked on behalf of the club if he had had any chips fixed.
David had a considerable number of chips to deliver to customers at the Arcadia show, and that triggered alarm bells.

Eventually the chip I gave him to repair was returned complete and sent for xray. The invisible repair clearly showed on the xray and we were satisfied with our research. I sent a report to Mike Skelton and he presented this at a Southern Nevada Club meeting immediately prior to the 2005 convention. Both myself and Gene were present.

The next day, at Whalen's request, I drove to Pahrump to discuss with him a notice of impending lawsuit that he had received, requesting information the club required from him on chips that he had fixed to avoid the matter going any further. He volunteered substantial information to me which I passed on but this was not considered sufficient and the suit was duly served.

3 months later, I was once more invited to Pahrump to discuss things. David Sarles made a trip out also. Whalen had produced a list of the types and quantities of chips he had repaired, and another list, showing customers and their respective quantities. Whalen had circulated these lists to all the customers on those lists and to the club. Every customer bar one, gave their approval for their name to be stated, to either Dave Whalen, David Sarles or myself. That one customers name was blanked out on the 'published' list.
The details of repairs quoted in Whalens list did not identify any specific chips, other than the chips he had given to me, where he also identified me by name. I had no problem with that.
The list tallied hundreds of chips that had been repaired, and one category of repair was described as 'Quantity - too numerous to recount'.
When Whalen was asked, by his own admission, the total repairs was over 1,000.

From that point on, with the lawsuit progressing, I was requested by the club to reveal no further information to anyone not involved in the case. I have upheld that request despite at one point numerous emails and board requests from you NORM, because you didnt believe a word of what was being posted.

I have not posted anything above which was not previously public, and neither will I. It is not my place to do so. My part in all the above was carried out on behalf of the club, for research, with PRIOR approval from the BOD.

I have had no contact with Whalen since that time almost a year ago. I have not asked him to make or alter any other chips. I regard Dave as a friend and I got involved to try and reach a resolution. This did not happen. I have stated before that I think Dave does 'good work' but that does not mean I support any of what he does.

Now, if you havnt had enough, lets get onto point two. Gene has already made his case on the joint purchase of the slabbed coins. It also involved a 3rd 'partner', Barry H. Let me re-iterate once more.
NO SLABBED CHIPS WERE EVER BOUGHT.
NOTHING WAS PURCHASED FROM ANYONE ON THE SLABFREE 'BANNED' LIST.
If your interpretation of the 'pledge' means that I and the others involved broke that pledge, then you must be reading it differently to everyone else.
Again, the purchase of slabbed coins, which was done soley to determine which of the grading companies were actually using real slab capsules, was done on behalf of slabfree, and with the full blessing of the ccgtcc .
A report on this will shortly be forthcoming.

"" to purchase items from a known slabber ( thier words not mine)"
Id like to see where this was written and by who.

Now Norm. Youve had all the above facts thrown at you in the past and you refused to climb down.
I dont know and I dont care to know what your real reasons for quitting are (if indeed you really are quitting) but I refuse to have you cite me, by virtue of the reasons you posted, as having given you cause to quit and I expect you to retract your comments.

Your recent behaviour clearly shows there is more to this than you are admitting.

PLEASE STOP USING ME AS AN EXCUSE NOW!

Messages In This Thread

want to sell off my collection
Re: want to sell off my collection
Norm.. My emails to you still dont go through
Re: really ? :)
sad
Re: want to sell off my collection
id rather see ya keep your collection..
Re: there is a pending sale on the chips
Re: Greg you have the 1st trade I made on the
Look for my email I don't want to buy your chips
What am I missing here?
Re:thank you Andy
Tell it like it is Norm !
Re: Tell it like it is Norm !
Norm...
Re:Andy
Norm...
Re: Andy
Re: Andy
You are not alone Norm....
Re: Mike Christensen
Re: You are Cleary not alone Norm....
Mr Grush, I have some straight questions for you
Re: Mr Grush, I have some straight questions for y
Re: Mr Grush, I have some straight questions for y
Re: Mr Grush, I have some straight questions for y
Re: Mr Spragg
Re: Mr Spragg
Re: Mr Grush, I have some straight questions for y
Re: Mr Grush, I have some straight questions for y
Yes, that answers my question
Re: Yes, that answers my question
Re: Well Norm
Here we go again Norm.....
You know, David...
"No need to reply", but I will grin
Re: What am I missing here?
Re: want to sell off my collection
Re: Russell
My suggestion....
grin My one and a half cents...

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