Thanks Gene, I traded for a C&J $1 at the convention and asked if anyone had heard some such story about these and no one had. Must 'a been sittin' with a bunch of tadpoles. Did the junkie have any luck selling these chips, seems that it kind of put a taint on these nifties at the time. The '04 trader was representing a value lower than TCR, made me a good deal and I'm happy as a clam...with a glass crutch! Good club and good people.