Those were different times, Tom. There were less than 100 members in our club. We did not have a constitution or a code of ethics. The two chip manufactures that were envolved, had every right to make anything that they wished without gaming approval, since these chips were not made for play in casinos. They also had the right to share profits with the individual who sold these chips at the Bellflower shows. It would have been nice for this individual to disclose the history of these chips, but he chose not to.....until many years later. I don't think that many of our dealers questioned him either. He sold them for about $3 each and the dealers asked a reasonable price for them, oh, about $15-30 each. We were glad to be able to buy them, especially the guys attending the first Bellflower show, paying only $3. In those days, the most expensive chip that you could buy from Bill Borland's mailing lists were $40. Most of those obsolete Nevada chips are now worth 10 to over 100 times that value. However, those chips that we are talking about that were made after the casino closed, by the original manufacturer, are still selling in the $20-30 range. Those chips were suspect from the beginning, but we still wanted them.