I don't know for sure about" hurts us all" but it sure shows a more realistic picture. As a fairly new reader and having made my first real comment yesterday, it sure does backup the point I was trying to make. There is desention and unethical even dishonest people in every club and organization that exists. I am sure the members of all chip clubs do everything they can to eliminate these types of members but some will always be there. Members ethics have been brought into question in this posting as was the one I commented on yesterday. And yes I am a real person and a non-member. It would be better to air the dirty laundry some other way but this BB does provide a lot of very good information and sometimes a good laugh.