Gene I am not saying that we order the casinos to make a certain quantity. However, if we give them a good reason to make a certain quantity they may be willing to listen. I am sure that the people in charge of ordering chips at some casinos really don't understand what they are doing since it is not their main job. They have more important duties. (And they wouldn't order three diferent shades of Peach for their roulettes at the same table). We don't have to order them to do anything but if we tell them, for instance, that they can sell 1000 of any LE then why would they want to make only 100? If they were not making a profit and geting good advertising from it then they would not make LE chips period.