Steve,

Ed Hertel and I "learned" to play craps last year at the Grand in Gulfport for the express purpose of liberating a few NCV's. We even acted like we didn't know each other. <g> The guy gave us several of the red and green, after a while, Ed said that he wanted to be a high roller and talked the guy into letting him play with the black ones also. It was great! <g>

Greg