Ted, alias Bill , then Ted again knows all the answers since he did all the work.....Remember when we would sit in Borlands "office" while he answered the phone, fiddled with chips, and constantly evaded answers asked about chips that only Starr ever knew? She was the real collector and contributor to the hobby whereas Bill really did not know much about chips.....other than how to make a few more for his own purposes which everyone seems to be enjoying the debate over. The good old days when we really did not seem overly concerned about his making of chips...because we were preoccupied in trying to get him to set a price on the chips we wanted and he could not find altho' they were listed in the BLUE BOOK.....!!! I recently checked those prices and cannot imagine I even tried to get him down from them. Hardly anything was over $30...!!