Jim,thanks for the explanation fo shill. My goodness, I may get to a computer maybe once a day and was surprised to see the response my question raised.Everyone's input enlightened me to information of ebay and auctions I was previously unaware of. Thank you all. Also,as I consider Joe Benon to be a close personal friend whose generosity, honesty, and willingness to share information in an effort to educate a one time "new" chip collector, it was encouraging to see the support of character given by fellow collectors of fine repute. I have learned this to be a small community when it comes to chip collecting and one's reputation is under close scrutiny. Somehow I find this comforting. Keep up the good work.